I have heard much smarter men then me(and in truth not so smart), and men that should know better push a doctrine that is absurd. They substitute the word “fear” for the word “awe.” That we should be in awe of Yehovah and not in fear of HIM. There are two problems with this.
1.“Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Mathew 10:28). I can go on and on about fear being fear. Instead I will show the implications of this bad thinking. “At that time I will search Jerusalem with lamps and punish those who are complacent, who are like wine left on its dregs, who think, 'The LORD will do nothing, either good or bad.”(Zephaniah 1:12). The Bible shows how Yehovah operates in lives of men back then, today, and till the end of time.
2.Feeling “Awe.” I cringe a little in my heart when any pastor wants his congregation to feel anything. We are powerless to start any sincerely good emotion towards GOD. We are sinful in our very soul. Our emotions are corrupted. Holiness and joy are as far from each other in our minds, we might as well have dictionaries begin with the letter 'H' and end in the letter 'j'. We can put on a smile. We can laugh. But it is not real joy nor laughter. You relate to GOD because he revels Himself in a related fashion. If GOD shows you HE is a mighty fortress. Then you take that testimony into you heart and you can always relate to HIM as your Mighty Fortress. Same with Salvation, same with joy, same with redeemer, same with LORD, same with king, same with ALL-IN-ALL. Wanting does not mean having. Seeking does not mean possessing. You knock then the door is open. You seek then you find. You ask then you are answered. Which means you are going to know unrest before you find HIS rest. You are going to be striped of strength before you find HIS strength. I am a Christian I should be able to relate to GOD as I want. You can't. Your will is weak.
Saturday, July 24, 2010
Tuesday, July 20, 2010
On Going To Jerusalem
Going to Jerusalem. I can't pretend a bunch of crumbled stones left on top of one another gets my heart fluttering. I can't do it.
Israel use to be the spot between the Empire Assyria and Babylon in the North and Egypt in the South. Then later Roman in the West and India and China in the East. Jerusalem was the Capital of a trade route. There were structures with no parrell even in Roman. Not my opinion but Tiberius.
Saturday, July 17, 2010
Frederic Bastiat's THE LAW
I enjoyed Frederic Bastiat essay THE LAW. I would like to expound on one of his theories.
The greatest right of man is his right to self defense. This is mans force. When men from a government they combine their forces into one force. That is the entire origin of government is this combining of forces and men. Where government go arwe is that it believes that it is not a combining of force but a combining of ideas, or faith, or families. The government is not a church, which a combining of men of the same faiths. A Government is not a merger of generosity, that's a charity. A government is not a bond of blood, that's a marriage. A government is not collection of ideas that is a college(or use to be).
It is a legitimate to combine Governments with charity or faiths or ideas, as is it to give a church an army or a charity billy clubs or a wedding in an octagon. My retracters will say I don't like charity. I hate education. I hate church and salvation. I want to drive over body over bodies on my way to the next book burning(please I am trying to prove a point, don't take it out of context). A combination of force and charity is a shake down. Faith and force a fataw. Education and force is a Re-education Camp. Force and a family is the Mob.
The greatest right of man is his right to self defense. This is mans force. When men from a government they combine their forces into one force. That is the entire origin of government is this combining of forces and men. Where government go arwe is that it believes that it is not a combining of force but a combining of ideas, or faith, or families. The government is not a church, which a combining of men of the same faiths. A Government is not a merger of generosity, that's a charity. A government is not a bond of blood, that's a marriage. A government is not collection of ideas that is a college(or use to be).
It is a legitimate to combine Governments with charity or faiths or ideas, as is it to give a church an army or a charity billy clubs or a wedding in an octagon. My retracters will say I don't like charity. I hate education. I hate church and salvation. I want to drive over body over bodies on my way to the next book burning(please I am trying to prove a point, don't take it out of context). A combination of force and charity is a shake down. Faith and force a fataw. Education and force is a Re-education Camp. Force and a family is the Mob.
Monday, July 5, 2010
What Money Can't Buy.
I am open to suggestions for the list.
1.Salvation
2.Grateful and behaved children.
3.Time
4.Memories
5.class
6.talent
7.childhood
8.security
9.will to live
10.The Kingdom of GOD
11.respect with respectable people
12.love
13.friends and friendship.
14.Honor
15.vision
16.A sense of humor
17.Joy
18.Fulfillment
19.Peace
20.Courage
21.Morality
22.Patients
23.Parents
24.an honest man
25.loyalty
26.Self reliance (thank you Money Cafe for 27)(http://www.the-money-cafe.com/Things-Money-Can%27t-Buy.html)
27. Ability to sit still
1.Salvation
2.Grateful and behaved children.
3.Time
4.Memories
5.class
6.talent
7.childhood
8.security
9.will to live
10.The Kingdom of GOD
11.respect with respectable people
12.love
13.friends and friendship.
14.Honor
15.vision
16.A sense of humor
17.Joy
18.Fulfillment
19.Peace
20.Courage
21.Morality
22.Patients
23.Parents
24.an honest man
25.loyalty
26.Self reliance (thank you Money Cafe for 27)(http://www.the-money-cafe.com/Things-Money-Can%27t-Buy.html)
27. Ability to sit still
Letter's to Andrew # who knows.
Andrew's Rebuttal
By Morgan
I have to break this up so that it easy to respond to your questions one at a time.
1a. Interesting that you seem to be the first person that considers special revelation on par with God's holy scriptures, essentially rendering the canon still open.
1m. No it does not. The Canon of Scripture is closed. I do not use Special Revelation in any of my doctrinal proofs. Nor do I use experience. And I have made it perfectly clear in the last post. “If X then Y arguments is a separate argument. If you wish to convince me then that is a new post.”
2a. Even many continuationists would NEVER say that, but then again this isn't the first time I've heard you espouse beliefs no one else holds.
2m. I don't know the Continuationists. You can't shame me with continuationist because I don't know them. I know scripture(at least in this case)
3a. If God speaking to people is the same as scripture, then why do we need the bible? Why not just let God speak to everyone?
3m. “Jesus Loves this I know because the of what.” GOD doesn't love everyone. GOD doesn't accept everyone. There are smart, better, and more generous people in hell today then me. GOD does hate.(Malachi 1:3; Romans 9:13) There is nothing about me that would ingender(MS) love above another. So how do I know that I am personally loved? Personal Revelation. As for the Bible it is the truth. It is to be meditated on and it sets people free from non-willful deception. It does not cast out evil. It does not save. GOD saves.
4a.As for your argument that scripture never says the gifts of the spirit have ceased, I would ask you to please show me where it says the have continued and are for today. Please do not use the first two passages you quoted above either because neither one are even close to making a case for the canon to remain open.
4m. The gifts do not constitute the canon being open first of all. The Canon is Closed because there are no more Apostles. We do not believe because of the Miracles or on the miracles or by inference from the miricules. No we believe because He commands us to believe and with force over takes us. We could have every prophet who ever lived performing every miracles they ever did and still people would not turn from their ways. “"Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.” Luke 10
You don't get to say those are legitimate points, those are not legitimate points, unless you prove it so. You are not Barrak Obama. You don't get to play and ref. They are still in play. They are still instructional when Christ spoke on this earth as they are today. The Bible is fully relevant today as it was when it was written.
5a. I base my understanding that special gifts have ceased, not on one specific verse saying so
5b. Because there is no verse saying so. Because someone told you so. Because you don't see them for yourself. Because your teachers took on the mantel of authority and if they are unworthy to get the KINGDOM of GOD at least they can get the respect before men.
6a., but rather on an overview and understanding of the purpose of the gifts shown in scripture. When properly understood that the gifts of that time served a specific purpose (to confer and establish the authority of the apostles and essentially the church) then now we see they are no longer needed.
6m. Apostolic Gifts did not establish authority. There is no where that it did. Mark 9:38 “Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
7a.Remember, they did not have the complete canon as we do now. Well I guess that point is lost on you since you deem the canon incomplete.
7m. I reminded you of that they did not have the complete canon in the last post. Don't get snippy on me with my own point.
8a.Anyway, I could give much more specific examples on the specific purposes of specific gifts, but time and space limit me.
8m. You have me Zero example.
But here Are my examples. Off the top of my head.
9M.Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,[a] and of faith in God, 2instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. Hebrews 6:1-2
Elementary teaching...the laying on of hands...
10M. "'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.”
According to your logic the visions have yet to be seen so the canon is still open. “ Interesting that you seem to be the first person that considers special revelation on par with God's holy scriptures, essentially rendering the canon still open”
11M. my first piece of scriptural evidence you want to throw out.
12M. My second piece of scriptural evidence you want to throw out.
By Morgan
I have to break this up so that it easy to respond to your questions one at a time.
1a. Interesting that you seem to be the first person that considers special revelation on par with God's holy scriptures, essentially rendering the canon still open.
1m. No it does not. The Canon of Scripture is closed. I do not use Special Revelation in any of my doctrinal proofs. Nor do I use experience. And I have made it perfectly clear in the last post. “If X then Y arguments is a separate argument. If you wish to convince me then that is a new post.”
2a. Even many continuationists would NEVER say that, but then again this isn't the first time I've heard you espouse beliefs no one else holds.
2m. I don't know the Continuationists. You can't shame me with continuationist because I don't know them. I know scripture(at least in this case)
3a. If God speaking to people is the same as scripture, then why do we need the bible? Why not just let God speak to everyone?
3m. “Jesus Loves this I know because the of what.” GOD doesn't love everyone. GOD doesn't accept everyone. There are smart, better, and more generous people in hell today then me. GOD does hate.(Malachi 1:3; Romans 9:13) There is nothing about me that would ingender(MS) love above another. So how do I know that I am personally loved? Personal Revelation. As for the Bible it is the truth. It is to be meditated on and it sets people free from non-willful deception. It does not cast out evil. It does not save. GOD saves.
4a.As for your argument that scripture never says the gifts of the spirit have ceased, I would ask you to please show me where it says the have continued and are for today. Please do not use the first two passages you quoted above either because neither one are even close to making a case for the canon to remain open.
4m. The gifts do not constitute the canon being open first of all. The Canon is Closed because there are no more Apostles. We do not believe because of the Miracles or on the miracles or by inference from the miricules. No we believe because He commands us to believe and with force over takes us. We could have every prophet who ever lived performing every miracles they ever did and still people would not turn from their ways. “"Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.” Luke 10
You don't get to say those are legitimate points, those are not legitimate points, unless you prove it so. You are not Barrak Obama. You don't get to play and ref. They are still in play. They are still instructional when Christ spoke on this earth as they are today. The Bible is fully relevant today as it was when it was written.
5a. I base my understanding that special gifts have ceased, not on one specific verse saying so
5b. Because there is no verse saying so. Because someone told you so. Because you don't see them for yourself. Because your teachers took on the mantel of authority and if they are unworthy to get the KINGDOM of GOD at least they can get the respect before men.
6a., but rather on an overview and understanding of the purpose of the gifts shown in scripture. When properly understood that the gifts of that time served a specific purpose (to confer and establish the authority of the apostles and essentially the church) then now we see they are no longer needed.
6m. Apostolic Gifts did not establish authority. There is no where that it did. Mark 9:38 “Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
7a.Remember, they did not have the complete canon as we do now. Well I guess that point is lost on you since you deem the canon incomplete.
7m. I reminded you of that they did not have the complete canon in the last post. Don't get snippy on me with my own point.
8a.Anyway, I could give much more specific examples on the specific purposes of specific gifts, but time and space limit me.
8m. You have me Zero example.
But here Are my examples. Off the top of my head.
9M.Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,[a] and of faith in God, 2instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. Hebrews 6:1-2
Elementary teaching...the laying on of hands...
10M. "'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.”
According to your logic the visions have yet to be seen so the canon is still open. “ Interesting that you seem to be the first person that considers special revelation on par with God's holy scriptures, essentially rendering the canon still open”
11M. my first piece of scriptural evidence you want to throw out.
12M. My second piece of scriptural evidence you want to throw out.
Saturday, July 3, 2010
Ideas and Doctrine The New Testament Does NOT Teach.
By Morgan McGee
1.Yeshua HaMashia(Christ) did not come to create a new law and replace the old law. A sin in the Old Testament disposition is a sin in the New. The phrase or idea, “If a Commandment, from the Mosaic covenant, appears in the New Testament it should be followed, if it does not then a then you are freed from it.” Does not appear in the New Testament. The Apostle Paul criticized the new Church for not following the law.
2.Abrahamic Covenant was not nullified by the Mosaic Covenant. The Mosaic Covenant was not replaced with the Davidic Covenant. And the Covenant of our Savior did not replace the rest of the Covenants. Covenants are not cars, with the 05' models being replaced with the 06'.
3.The Idea or concept that miracles, visions, personal revelations by Yehovah, gifts and tongues not occuring in our times, does not exist in the New Testament. (So not to sound confusing on any matter) Miracles, visions, personal revelations, gifts of the Holy Spirit and tongues did not come with an expiration date attached to them with the closing of the Book of Revelations. “He will do even greater things-” John 14:12.
Let me put it another way. What is the Kingdom Of GOD and what do kingdoms do? “24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebub, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”
25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.” Is demonic Position happening today? Are we, the Church, being over come by evil, socially, economically and with in temptation. Are legitimate Born Again Believers in Yeshua HaMashia being over come today? Yes. We have retreated into suburbia, or thick church walls, to heavy populated Christian Cities and let the Devil control the rest. If we do not over come then we are over come. There is no neutral ground.
4. The Bible is easy. You have to widdle the Word out context down to next to nothing to get an easy idea out of it. At that point the Word says nothing different then what the World puts out. Now where in the New Testament says the BIBLE is easy.
1.Yeshua HaMashia(Christ) did not come to create a new law and replace the old law. A sin in the Old Testament disposition is a sin in the New. The phrase or idea, “If a Commandment, from the Mosaic covenant, appears in the New Testament it should be followed, if it does not then a then you are freed from it.” Does not appear in the New Testament. The Apostle Paul criticized the new Church for not following the law.
2.Abrahamic Covenant was not nullified by the Mosaic Covenant. The Mosaic Covenant was not replaced with the Davidic Covenant. And the Covenant of our Savior did not replace the rest of the Covenants. Covenants are not cars, with the 05' models being replaced with the 06'.
3.The Idea or concept that miracles, visions, personal revelations by Yehovah, gifts and tongues not occuring in our times, does not exist in the New Testament. (So not to sound confusing on any matter) Miracles, visions, personal revelations, gifts of the Holy Spirit and tongues did not come with an expiration date attached to them with the closing of the Book of Revelations. “He will do even greater things-” John 14:12.
Let me put it another way. What is the Kingdom Of GOD and what do kingdoms do? “24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebub, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”
25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.” Is demonic Position happening today? Are we, the Church, being over come by evil, socially, economically and with in temptation. Are legitimate Born Again Believers in Yeshua HaMashia being over come today? Yes. We have retreated into suburbia, or thick church walls, to heavy populated Christian Cities and let the Devil control the rest. If we do not over come then we are over come. There is no neutral ground.
4. The Bible is easy. You have to widdle the Word out context down to next to nothing to get an easy idea out of it. At that point the Word says nothing different then what the World puts out. Now where in the New Testament says the BIBLE is easy.
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